Comments on: UKIP Forms New European Grouping

By: Sam Duncan

Sam Duncan — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:11:52 +0000

Of course. That’s why I’ve voted UKIP before. And I didn’t say I won’t again, but I am reconsidering. (I certainly don’t trust the Tories’ record on the EU.)

It’s certainly true that EUnionists will throw accusations of extremism at anyone who favours national sovereignty, but I just wonder at the wisdom of cozying up to parties that genuinely are.

By: woolfie

woolfie — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:32:40 +0000

Sam,

Exactly the same charges have been levelled at the Conservative party in Europe, have you also looked at the make up of the Socialist group?

The one big glaringly obvious thing is that all these extreme parties ( including the two BNP thugs from UK) have been elected to make our laws for us. Don't you think based on that we'd be better off out of the EU altogether?

By: woolfie

woolfie — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:29:01 +0000

No alisdair,

It is you who are wrong, they were elected to represent the views of the people who elected them and they want out of the EU.

Who did you send to represent you at the EU?

By: woolfie

woolfie — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:25:01 +0000

Blimey all these nasty sounding people have been elected to represent us and make our laws too.

Do you know I'm begining to think that a federal EU administration isn't a very good thing, I wish I'd voted against it now….oh I was never asked and nor was anyone else.

By: AlanL

AlanL — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:18:26 +0000

Thank you Alisdair, and I accept you did not intend to be insulting. All too often people don't like other people's views, but that's not surprising. What IS so surprising is the manner of the reply. During my life I have merely given my view, and hopefully without bias. A reasoned argument is a sound argument, be it right or wrong. I don't agree that UKIP denigrates the system, but I accept your different view. As an ardent reader of the Bruges Group site, particularly the Euro-Creep by Robert Oulds, I am often astounded how much we are now European without a by your leave. As Robert says…"The UK has to be obey judgments made in Brussels which override decisions made by our own democratic institutions. What is more the British taxpayer has to pay Brussels £ billions each year for the ‘privilege’ of being bound by EU law", and I would like to be asked if I want to change that.

By: Sean O'Hare

Sean O'Hare — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:07:59 +0000

@alisdair

Can you not understand that UKIP do not want to engage with the EU bureaucrats. There would be no point, they will always be in the minority amongst the federalists and their votes will never really count. The only reason to turn up at in Strasbourg is to collect the cash AND use that cash to further the cause of getting the UK out of this corrupt, non-democratic institution as soon as possible. Unlike most of our own parliament's MPs whenever UKIP has discovered troughing by its MEPs it has ejected them from the party PDQ. If ever it is proven that UKIP are "institutionally" corrupt I will cease to support them, and will probably emigrate. In the meantime good on them. Every time I see Nigel giving them the truth, even on YouTube, I feel proud of the party I support.

By: alisdair

alisdair — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:59:25 +0000

Okay, I apologise for being insulting although that honestly was not my intention.

The problem with this whole question is that government after government has not been straight with people about what the EU integration process actually means. I find UKIP as guilty as anyone else as they are all too content to denigrate the system, but profit from it as well.

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:33:17 +0000

For me it says a lot about UKIP in that there are absolutely no classical liberal eurosceptic parties that they can align themselves with in the EU parliament. They really are one-of-a-kind in the EU. Forming a coalition for a party like UKIP means sitting with bigots, racists and sectarians.

By: AlanL

AlanL — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:24:57 +0000

Well, Alisdair, and who are you to tell me about any grasp on reality I may or may not be displaying? You say that simply because you disagree with me, or rather that I don't follow your reasoning. St Augustine said…“It was pride that changed angels into devils; it is humility that makes men as angels.” You have no humility, you have no manners, you are ignorant and intolerant. What a sad person you are and what a sad life you must live that you have to be so insulting at a moment's notice. As a matter of fact I was lied to by Edward Heath, back in the early 70s, when I supported a trading community, and I have never once been given the chance to vote on the EU since. Now, at the age of 70 I support a party that hopefully will simply ASK us what we want, not tell us what we WILL do!

By: alisdair

alisdair — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:13:10 +0000

Alan – I am sorry but when it comes to this particular subject you are displaying not much of a grasp of reality. No doubt there are plenty of subjects you know a lot about, and I don't. But I won't the mistake of claiming to either.